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    Kyouri Kai
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    Ill. prison to get Gitmo detainees

    Post by Kyouri Kai on Tue 15 Dec 2009, 7:37 am

    Associated Press wrote:By HENRY C. JACKSON, Associated Press Writer 20 mins ago

    WASHINGTON Taking an important step on the thorny path to closing the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the White House plans to announce Tuesday that the government will acquire an underutilized state prison in rural Illinois to be the new home for a limited number of terrorist suspects held at Guantanamo.

    Administration officials as well as Illinois Sen. Richard Durbin and Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn will make an official announcement at the White House.

    Officials from both the White House and Durbin's office confirmed that President Barack Obama had directed the government to acquire Thomson Correctional Center in Thomson, Ill., a sleepy town near the Mississippi River about 150 miles from Chicago. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid pre-empting Tuesday's announcement.

    A Durbin aide said the facility would house federal inmates and no more than 100 detainees from Guantanamo Bay.

    The facility in Thomson had emerged as a clear front-runner after Illinois officials, led by Durbin, enthusiastically embraced the idea of turning a near-dormant prison over to federal officials.

    The White House has been coy about its selection process, but on Friday a draft memo leaked to a conservative Web site that seemed to indicate officials were homing in on Thomson.

    The Thomson Correctional Center was one of several potential sites evaluated by the Federal Bureau of Prisons to potentially house detainees from the Navy-run prison at Guantanamo Bay. Officials with other prisons, including Marion, Ill., Hardin, Mont., and Florence, Colo., have said they would welcome the jobs that would be created by the new inmates.

    Closing Guantanamo is a top priority for Obama, and he signed an executive order hours into his presidency directing that the process of closing the prison begin. Obama has said he wants terrorism suspects transferred to American soil so they can be tried for their suspected crimes.

    The Thomson Correctional Center was built by Illinois in 2001 as a state prison with the potential to house maximum security inmates. Local officials hoped it would improve the local economy, providing jobs to a hard-hit community. State budget problems, however, have kept the 1,600-cell prison from ever fully opening. At present, it houses about 200 minimum-security inmates.

    Obama has faced some resistance to the idea of housing terrorism suspects in the United States, but in Thomson many have welcomed the prospect as a potential economic engine. Thomson Village President Jerry Hebeler, was asleep when the word came that Thomson had been chosen.

    "It's news to me, but then I'm always the last to know anything," Hebeler said Monday night of the news affecting his town of 450 residents. "It'll be good for the village and the surrounding area, especially with all the jobs that have been lost here."

    But Hebeler said he wouldn't rejoice until "the ink is on the paper" because previous plans for increased use of the nearly empty prison have fallen through.

    Some Illinois officials have not supported the idea. GOP Rep. Mark Kirk, who is seeking Obama's old Senate seat, said he believes moving Guantanamo detainees to Illinois will make the state a greater threat for terrorist attacks. Kirk has lobbied other officials to contact the White House in opposition to using the facility.

    To be sure, Thomson will not solve all the administration's Guantanamo-related problems. There still will be dozens of detainees who are not relocated to Thomson, other legal issues and potential resistance from Congress.

    Thomson is a symbolic step, however, a clear sign that the United States is working to find a new place to hold detainees from Guantanamo.

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    Associated Press writer F.N. D'Alessio in Chicago contributed to this report.
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    Post by Marijane on Tue 15 Dec 2009, 12:37 pm

    Hmm, I heard about this on GMA this morning.. I don't really know what to think about.
    In some ways I think that it is kind of funny cause I thought that we wanted to keep terrorist out of the U.S. and then at the same time I think that it is a good idea bring them here so that we have a better eye on them.. and we can make sure that they don't do anything to start another war.. or make the one that we are already in, worse.

    I am really not good on giving my say on these kinds of things. But, to a point this is what I feel.... now.... it is the right, or the wrong thing to think?
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    Re: Ill. prison to get Gitmo detainees

    Post by Watari on Tue 15 Dec 2009, 11:17 pm

    Honestly Terror Suspects are just that, suspects so I feel the U.S. should conduct these investigations in the U.S., why?! Well because then these suspects would have to be treated in the same manner as any other suspect, though they can be held for an indefinite period of time they will less likely to be put through rigorous torture techniques that they used in Gitmo, I feel that this is probably the best thing the U.S. has done in a long while.
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    Post by Kyouri Kai on Wed 16 Dec 2009, 7:51 am

    I'm a bit torn on the subject as I see both pros and cons to both sides. Pretty much all countries house their wartime 'suspects' and even convicted persons on their own soil, but they are held in areas that are still controlled by the military, not the civilian populous. As for the torture, some of which has been debunked while other techniques have been proven to have occurred, I have to say that sometimes you do what is necessary in order to pull information out of someone when need be. However, while the torture methods, or at least the ones we know about, are not as severe as what our own military go through when captured by enemies, there does come a time when you either find the person committed the crime or was at least involved in some way, or cut them loose... back into their own country, not ours!

    So if the bleeding hearts who allege to be all about civility (while taxing us to death) truly wish to house these war-time suspects in the U.S. are going to get their way, I would at least feel more comfortable if the prisons they are going to be placed in was nowhere near civilian populations and were ran by the military. Personally, I don't see the real difference anyway... if we are in charge of Guantanamo, then why don't our laws apply there? Why is it that our laws only apply if they are housed within one of the 53 U.S. Districts? Is the military not overseen by the Executive branch of our government? But, if these are military suspects (to which most are not Americans and were not captured on U.S. soil), then they should be subject to a military tribunal, not a civilian tribunal, because they are not citizens of the United States and therefore our constitution does not apply to them. *shrugs* Pros and cons... but mainly questions.
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    Post by KageSenko on Wed 16 Dec 2009, 8:29 pm

    that sucks, hopefully no escapees


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    Re: Ill. prison to get Gitmo detainees

    Post by Kyouri Kai on Mon 08 Feb 2010, 6:07 pm

    Wikipedia wrote:Ex parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1 (1942), is a Supreme Court of the United States case that upheld the jurisdiction of a United States military tribunal over the trial of several Operation Pastorius German saboteurs in the United States. Quirin has been cited as a precedent for the trial by military commission of any unlawful combatant against the United States.

    It was argued July 29 and July 30, 1942 and decided July 31, 1942 with an extended opinion filed October 29, 1942.

    This decision states:
    the law of war draws a distinction between the armed forces and the peaceful populations of belligerent nations and also between those who are lawful and unlawful combatants. Lawful combatants are subject to capture and detention as prisoners of war by opposing military forces. Unlawful combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition they are subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful. The spy who secretly and without uniform passes the military lines of a belligerent in time of war, seeking to gather military information and communicate it to the enemy, or an enemy combatant who without uniform comes secretly through the lines for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property, are familiar examples of belligerents who are generally deemed not to be entitled to the status of prisoners of war, but to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals.
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    Post by Watari on Tue 09 Feb 2010, 3:13 am

    Mind if I inquire what that quote has to do with this topic? Sorry I'm a bit on the tired side, been writing music for the past 4 hours and I'm brain dead
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    Post by Kyouri Kai on Tue 09 Feb 2010, 9:03 am

    I understand, been there myself plenty of times. In the wanton desire to close Gitmo also comes the unilateral decision to treat war suspects as common criminals. The case law I posted up was something I ran across while searching for other stuff. The quote shows that it has already been ruled there is a distinction: "Lawful combatants are subject to capture and detention as prisoners of war by opposing military forces. Unlawful combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition they are subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful." Kinda goes to the guy that tried to blow up an airplane in Michigan on Christmas '09 - seems his actions were that of an 'unlawful / belligerent combatant' yet he was given a lawyer and not detained by the military. It's these types of people that some are wanting to house in civilian prisons (not necessarily with criminal citizens). I have no problem with them being on American soil, so long as that soil is under the concrete poured out on a military base and not located in nearby civilian areas.

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